Four-Color Mutants with Matt Bors

Zack Beins

>> Good morning Tromaville and welcome to another thrilling episode of Talkin' Troma. I'm your host, Zach Bynes. Now, throughout history, we've seen some truly iconic team-ups. Peanut butter and jelly, Ren and Stimpy, Batman and Robin. But one partnership you might not immediately think of, yet one that's just as important, is the bond between Troma and comic books. Troma co-founder and Toxie's cinematic dad Lloyd Kaufman was close friends with Marvel's legendary

Zack Beins

Stan Lee, the father of Spider-Man himself. So it only made sense that in the 90s Marvel comics brought Tromaville into the four-color world, publishing 11 issues of The Toxic Avenger and 8 issues of Toxic Crusaders. Both titles were cancelled around the same times as the Toxic Crusaders as the animated series was not picked up for a second season. Fast forward to the 2000s, Troma launched its very own line of comics based on cult favorites like The Chosen One, Legend of the Raven, Sucker the Vampire, Terror, Farmer, Tromeo and Juliet, and of course, more adventures starring Toxie. Even Spain joined in the fun with Fester Comics releasing titles like Sergeant Kabukiman and Mother's Day.

Zack Beins

In 2007, fans were treated to The Toxic Avenger and Other Tromatic Tales, a collected anthology featuring Toxie, Poultrygeist, and more Troma madness. Over the years, Lloyd Kaufman and Toxie themselves have popped up in cameos across the comic book world, while indie publishers license properties like Frostbiter and Chillers. Most recently, even the new legendary Toxic Avenger film has inspired a brand new graphic novel. But here's the thing. It's been a while since fans had a regular, ongoing Toxie book to dive into. That's where Ahoy Comics steps in.

Zack Beins

They've launched a brand new Toxic Avengers series, with the first five issues already collected into a trade paperback, which is available now at bookstores. And if that wasn't enough, they're rolling right into the next story arc. Plus, the return of the Toxic Crusaders with a brand new run that starts this week. If your local comic book store isn't carrying the Toxic Crusaders, order it and force them. Make mine Troma. Which brings us to today's special guest, Matt Bors. Matt is a Pulitzer Prize finalist, the founder of the comics website, The Nib,

Zack Beins

and an award-winning cartoonist known for his sharp wit and social commentary. Now he's turned his talents towards Tromaville, writing the Toxic Avenger and Toxic Crusaders for Ahoy Comics. So from the hallowed halls of San Diego Comic-Con, we're bringing you our exclusive interview with Matt Bors. So sit back, enjoy the conversation. And as always, stay Tromatized.

Chris Lanphear

Chris Lanphear for Talkin' Troma here at San Diego Comic-Con 2025 with the writer, producer, creator of the new Toxic Avenger and Toxic Crusaders comics from Ahoy Comics. Mr. Matt Bors, how are you, sir?

Matt Bors

I'm great, man. We just had a fun weekend at Comic-Con, multiple panels, signing and everything, and this is the last thing I'm doing, sitting in the shade with you, having a nice interview. It's been a great experience.

Chris Lanphear

It's been a hell of a week. I know, obviously, this has been kind of adjacent to the Toxic Avenger reimagining with Peter Dinklage coming out, and we had premieres for that here at Comic-Con. Did this experience this week at Comic-Con match the experience you thought you would have? Or was it bigger, was it lesser?

Chris Lanphear

What are your feelings on that?

Matt Bors

Yeah, I mean, first of all, it's like two years ago, Toxie as the comic that I'm doing is a Comic-Con story. So I approached Lloyd Kaufman two years ago at Comic-Con and I introduced myself and I said, I have this idea for a Toxic Avenger comic. I've loved Toxic Avenger, Toxic Crusaders, I wanna bring 'em all back. And I didn't know at the time

Matt Bors

that there was a movie in the works. So I feel like I lucked out in getting, being able to do this. And then now here we are two years later, we have a number one issues out, they're premiering all the Toxie stuff. It's crazy. So I mean, you know, to answer your question,

Matt Bors

it's like, you know, this is, it's a dream to get to do this and to imagine myself, you know, a couple of years after just walking up to him cold, really, to Lloyd and asking him, you think, is there any shot that we can make this work? To now we're signing comics and there's, you know, the movie coming out and everything,

Matt Bors

I mean, it's fabulous, I love it.

Chris Lanphear

Yeah, what sort of feedback have you gotten from people who are coming up for the signings and the response to the panels? Like, what's your take on the sort of feedback you've received on the book so far?

Matt Bors

Well, people are loving the comic, which is great, 'cause I was, you know, when you do something like this, you're always a little worried about it. I'm trying to do something new with it while remaining true to the roots of it, and similar to what the movie seems like it's doing. I haven't seen the movie yet, but it seems like it's a new Toxie and so is my comic, but it's true to the basic premises of the franchise.

Matt Bors

So you're always worried about how fans might receive that, but everybody seems to be digging it and it just seems in general that Toxic Avenger was really dormant for a while. A lot of people watched it, it was a cult hit obviously, but there wasn't anything new coming out for a long time and now we're at it's like it's it's Toxie summer man I mean.

Chris Lanphear

It really is the summer of Toxie. I have been you know with Troma for two decades plus now and I've never seen a response like this to anything we've done or been involved with so it's just been an absolutely crazy summer and it's just getting started I mean the movie comes out in a month and a half and there's already all this buzz around it and there's buzz around the books, like to switch gears just a little bit. Were you influenced at all by the original Marvel comic series that came out in 1991 and 92?

Matt Bors

Honestly, no. I hadn't read those until I got the green light to write the comic. I went back and read what those were. But I am influenced by the Toxic Crusaders cartoon because I kind of watched that and the movies around the same time I was a little kid, you know. I was born in 1983 and the cartoon came out in 91. So I definitely saw the cartoon in real time and I feel like I don't actually remember watching the Toxic Avenger for the first time. I get it's like the constant question I'm asked in like interviews about the comics like what's your when did you see it and I'm like I think I was so young I don't remember actually seeing it for

Matt Bors

the first time. But so the point is is that what I view what I'm doing is this sort of like amalgamation of mashing together movie stuff and the Toxic Crusaders stuff doing the smogulent plotline and having the mutants like major disaster and junkyard in there but making it all sort of rated R and gross and cool and also like kind of dealing with socio-political stuff pollution majorly and but but no I didn't read the comics although I will say that I Sam Kieth did covers for Toxic Crusaders he's like a great artist who did the backs and other stuff so it's cool to see his his artwork on that yeah he did

Chris Lanphear

You did Toxie number one, or Toxic Crusaders number one with the whole crew and Toxie in the front and that's iconic artwork. But the artwork that you have in your books as well from artists like Fred Harper and you have like some kind of other guest artists coming in, they all have slightly different takes on the material but it all sort of seems to fit together.

Chris Lanphear

Can you talk a little bit about the selection process that you've kind of gone through with finding different artists to work on these?

Matt Bors

Yeah, so the main artist we got is Fred Harper, you mentioned. He's really great. He's got this kind of like- it's like Simon Bisley, Richard Corbin influences. He's really good at anatomy and expressions, which makes him really good for contorting those anatomy and expressions and everything. So he's kind of drawn Toxie really muscular,

Matt Bors

and it gives him a little bit of a crooked face. I like his style a lot. And he did the first five issues, And he also did the new issue number one that's like a horror focused issue that's like really goes in on horror. It's not as humorous as the other ones. And I think that's his best one.

Matt Bors

Like he just does horror really good. A lot of dark inks, good lighting, creepy shit. And then you mentioned we got a bunch of other guests artists Felipe Sobrero, Erica Henderson, who did the "Unbeatable Squirrel Girl." Very popular artists. We're lucky to have her. and Grim Wilkins who is like an indie artist with image.

Matt Bors

What I found in asking people to do stuff, there's either artists who, you know, some people have no interest in Toxic Avenger whatsoever, just like if you asked them, "Hey, do you want to do a My Little Pony comic?" And they're like, "I don't know." But then you meet people and they're just like, "Oh yeah." I mean, a lot of artists are more into Toxic

Matt Bors

than My Little Pony, but some people who you maybe normally wouldn't be able to get on a licensed comic want to do it because they really like Toxic Avenger and they're like, "Oh, this is cool as hell." So.

Chris Lanphear

Yeah, and it kind of fits with the outsider vibe that Troma and Toxie have always been sort of known for. Like, he's a superhero, but he's a little bit too gross, he's a little bit too extreme for some of the more mainstream stuff that Marvel and DC have been doing. And that's also part of its charm, which I love. And the stories that you're telling in these books,

Chris Lanphear

it feels like, especially with "Toxic Crusaders" now coming out as a book that you could easily just kind of play it safe and just sort of like take stuff from the cartoon and expand on it a little bit. But what I love from what I've seen so far is that the stories go further. We were talking before we started about the character of Blobby,

Chris Lanphear

and we're not gonna spoil it on this show, but you're talking about an arc for that character that has never happened before. He's never had an arc, you know, in the cartoon. He's just a mop that comes to life. but the fact that you're taking these things in so many different directions that I feel like the cartoon

Chris Lanphear

would have eventually gotten there had it been as successful as we had wanted it to be back in the day. But it's just really, really cool to see the expansion of the world. So I guess the question I'm getting to is, what's your thought process in terms of coming up with stories and situations to put these characters in?

Chris Lanphear

Do you feel like you need to stay closer to the comics Or do you feel like an overwhelming desire to kind of like see where that can stretch?

Matt Bors

Well, you know with a lot of licensed comics there there they are playing it straight and that's that's is what people want sometimes So first of all, we're in this wave of nostalgia right now I mean they got comics coming out the Cowboys of Moo Mesa if you ever heard of that I mean, it feels like we've you know, maybe we got the California Raisins coming back or something. I don't know there we couldn't do everything's coming back but when you see some of these comics or movies or reboots they're extremely on model they look like the style of like the 90s cartoon or the 80s cartoon or whatever and maybe some people would want that with Toxic Crusaders but we wanted to push it we wanted to get it like indie

Matt Bors

art vibes to it make it like I said earlier like more we wanted to make it R-rated, super violent, like the movies. We have this artist on it. It's his debut, it's not his debut book because he's done his own indie comics, Tristan Wright, but it's his debut mainstream book and monthly book. And this dude is off the charts good, man. People are gonna love this book when they see it.

Matt Bors

So we do, I wanted to push, you know, little like new versions of the characters. So for instance, we have a new origin, which is like this toxic, train derailment filled toxic waste crashes in Tromaville and that's what mutates everybody. So Nozone in the Crusaders is a pilot and in our Crusaders he was actually one of the workers on the train. The other worker is mutated too and he goes to work for the guy we call Mr. K who is Dr. Kilimoff.

Matt Bors

And I guess I would say the main thing I'm trying to do in pushing things to in in a new direction is taking this original idea of the smogulans and pushing it through to the end, like the end point. If I get to do all the comics I want to do, you'll see what that is. Initially, it spoils the first volume, the first five issues we did, because that's sort of the reveal at the end, is that there's this big smogulan plot.

Chris Lanphear

Which is out now in trade paperback form, available on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, all your favorite booksellers, yeah?

Matt Bors

And but as we get going, you know, there's so there's Mr. K. And there's also Mrs. C. And Mr. P. And they all have these like initial names and they all work in different, different sort of realms of the of the world. Right. So Mr. K. Is actively trying to pollute everything. And there's somebody inside government.

Matt Bors

There's somebody inside Wall Street. There's somebody trying to manipulate influencers to to prepare the human race for the eventual Smogulan invasion, which we'll see on the page eventually.

Chris Lanphear

Yeah, you're sort of, the Smogulans were always very interesting because I feel like the original TV series really only scratched the surface of what the Smogulans were up to, and that really only got teased towards the last few episodes of the show. But now in the book, you have the opportunity

Chris Lanphear

to sort of expand that and figure out, like, who are the Smogulans? Where do they come from? What is it that they want? Like what is their overarching plan? And it kind of seems like, you know, the Crusaders are coming to their own sort of Infinity War moment with the Smogulan invasion.

Matt Bors

No, exactly. There's, so in Crusaders, what you'll see, you know, that's a little different from the cartoon is just, you know, it's Saturday morning cartoon. It was, nobody sort of died. There's sort of a status, episodic status quo. Each issue is, or each episode is sort of like a new Smogulan plot.

Matt Bors

So we're going to take that and kind of push it further. And the Crusaders are sort of- do some, I would say, fairly radical stuff to try to thwart this threat. I mean, what would you do if aliens were literally trying to take over the planet? I mean, you would probably kill them. So they try to-

Matt Bors

that's the basic premise. They set out to kill them. But things get complicated. And also, really, the thing I'm exploring in both books that the reaction in the world to this fact is complicated. It's not believed by everybody, first of all. It is believed by some people and they don't care or they love it and they worship the bugs. So I'm trying to explore that like the craziness of society which is like you know reflective of some things going on right now which is that everything isn't just straightforward

Matt Bors

oh there's bad guys and Toxie's a hero you know he tries to do the right thing but then maybe People are like, "No, man. I fucking want to be a bug slave." So that's the type of... we're trying to get into...

Chris Lanphear

Not everybody wants the hero, right? People kind of choose a side. You know, there are a lot of things going on right now that kind of fit in that category.

Matt Bors

I like exploring the weird fallout from this stuff. You know, so there's the toxic train spill is what we dealt with in the first five issues. And then really the first five issues of the new series are... There are five separate issues that tell different stories in different genres and sort of deals with the fallout of like what would happen if this town was abandoned and there's a big pool of toxic waste. So we have, you know, like a serial killer in the first issue essentially who's like captures people and uses the toxic waste to mutate them.

Matt Bors

And then in the second issue, which is the origin story of a new mutant who will be on the Toxic Crusaders named Fun Girl who is a fungus based mutant girl and she is the only member of the Crusaders who's willfully mutated herself. So that's another thing I thought well what if you saw these people with these seemingly cool mutant powers I mean hey so she jumps in a barrel of toxic waste with her mushroom collection she's kind of a weirdo and becomes Fun Girl and she's got you know she can do anything right she got edible she's got a bunch of different kind of mushrooms colonized in her body.

Matt Bors

So she has, she can produce edible mushrooms, medicinal mushrooms, poison mushrooms, and of course, hallucinogenic mushrooms. So like, you know, we're just, I'm just coming up with, like, what would happen if this happened, right? You'd have weird crime cults, bug worshipers, serial killing maniacs, people who wanna be mutants, people who wanna kill all the mutants.

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Chris Lanphear

That's so much fun too. Like you were mentioning earlier with a lot of like licensed entertainment properties, you're given kind of a relatively small sandbox to play in. But the nice thing about something like Toxie in his world is it's basically whatever you can come up with we're kind of game for. Can you talk about, going back a little bit,

Chris Lanphear

when you first came up to Lloyd and suggested the book, what has it been like working with him and developing this story?

Matt Bors

I mean, it's been great, honestly. Everybody at Tremont's been great. They are super supportive. So I went up to Lloyd and introduced myself. I said I had this idea. I didn't pitch on the entire idea then and there, but it was more like, that sounds cool. Like, why don't you email me and all this?

Matt Bors

And you know, things like that at Comic-Con are happening all the time and sometimes follow-ups, nothing ever happens. But you know, I put a big pitch together, kind of showing the steps of what I wanted to do, including, I mean, back then, it had stuff that we're doing now. Like I had years planned out.

Matt Bors

I mean, I did admittedly have an ambitious approach I was like, I don't just want to do five issues. I want to do a whole run. We blow it out into two books. After The Origin, it goes to Crusaders and Toxic Avengers simultaneously. We have all these new characters, these new villains. I mean, they loved it, I think. I think, hey man, I don't know exactly what they're doing in the new movie, but I would

Matt Bors

love if they followed it up with Toxic Crusaders. They can pick some ideas from my books, you know, if it works or whatever. But yeah, no, I would love to see all of the characters on the big screen.

Chris Lanphear

Yeah, you and me both. I mean, for those of us, for those who've been around long enough, originally, part of the original plan and rollout for "Toxic Crusaders" was a live action film that New Line Cinema picked up and was going to produce. And, you know, they committed, you know, such and such million budget,

Chris Lanphear

and it's gonna be out by the spring of '93. Well, when the show collapsed and was canceled, then the comic books went away, and New Line basically said, "Oh, sorry, our fingers were crossed, "and we're not gonna make this movie." Troma actually took New Line Cinema to court, and this was before New Line was purchased by Time Warner.

Chris Lanphear

And I never was able to get the figure out of Lloyd, but we made New Line Cinema say uncle. So the fact that-- - Uncle Lloyd. Yeah, right, right? The fact that we're sitting here, you know, 20 some odd years later, and there's been this resurgence of Toxic Avenger and Toxic Crusaders, plus the Toxic Crusaders video game

Chris Lanphear

is coming out in a few months. I mean, this really is the year of Toxie and his friends.

Matt Bors

No, it's crazy. You know, something must've been in the air. I mean, think of what it is, frankly, is there's people my age, I'm 41, who grew up and loved this stuff, and then you get into a position as a creative where you can do something. And I think similar to how I had the idea of doing the comic,

Matt Bors

I don't know how Macon Blair and the games came about, but I imagine that they loved this stuff and they were sitting around thinking, "Oh, I got a good idea for how to do "the Toxic Adventure and stuff." And so that's what happened. And I'm glad 'cause it is like, we've been getting some,

Matt Bors

we're getting some crappy stuff, you know, served to us, like a lot of these reboots and everything. And I think it's nice to do one where I feel like I'm not just doing nostalgia bait. I'm not trying to recreate the movie. I can't do that. And I'm not trying to just recreate the cartoon in the style of the cartoon. I'm trying to do a next version of it. And so...

Chris Lanphear

And I think franchises have to reinvent themselves to keep themselves going. You know what I mean? People have come up to me, not necessarily at Comic Con, but prior to this saying, "Oh, I heard that they changed stuff in the movie or I heard that they changed stuff in the comic and it's not the same Well, of course, it's not the same. That story has already been told you've already got that movie The movie's not going anywhere. If you want that story pop it into your DVD and watch it You know, but like we're I feel like people are hungry for new interpretations of stories because that's how you keep story going That's how the world continues to expand. Yeah, and you can't you know for a lot of people

Matt Bors

Especially people who were young at the time like Toxic Avenger, you know you can't recreate that feeling of like something when you were 12 that you fell in love with. I mean we're here at San Diego a lot of this is about people trying to recreate the feeling of something that they fell in love with when they were 12 and keeping that thing alive. But yeah you do have to keep making you have to make it new or you're just getting served slop and I think that like Toxic Avenger is cool because a lot of superhero stuff is super earnest, it's super polished, and Toxic Avengers just, you know, it's a

Matt Bors

couple different things, right? It's like a satire, it's a horror movie, it's also a superhero parody. And like it was a superhero parody early on before there was superhero movies. And I feel like one of the things I'm interested in with the new movie is like, is it sort of a superhero parody in a world where we've been had we've had 15 years of like gigantic superhero movies and it can riff off of off of that because you know I mean that's similar like I'm trying to do that in the comic too it's like yeah Toxie's not like Superman to to you know name kind of the ultimate good boy superhero who does the right thing and I

Matt Bors

think that's cool to like that but it's like Toxie and definitely in my version too he's like yeah he does the right thing but there's always ramifications He's kind of naive. He will kill people, sometimes accidentally. You know, it's sort of how I imagine it would play out if you were mutated by toxic waste and gained superpowers.

Chris Lanphear

Yeah, I think so too. And I think that's what people respond to about Toxie is like, just because he has these abilities doesn't mean he's not also a fuck-up. Like, does not mean that he can also make mistakes just like anyone else and kind of have to deal with the consequences of those. With some of the other comics that you see, you know that they're going to save the day by the end of it and no one's gonna get hurt. No one's, you know, it's always wrapped up nicely in a bow

Chris Lanphear

and Toxie's always kind of gone against that grain a little bit.

Zack Beins

Yeah.

Chris Lanphear

You know, so that there's something novel about that in a world where there is, especially now, so much superhero content out there, for lack of a better term, that you know what you're getting going in That's the thing I think is cool about this character in this world is you never quite know what's gonna happen.

Matt Bors

Yeah, I wanna throw a few curve balls to the readers with the series, you know, about where things are going or where the threats are coming from. I'm spoiling a lot and I'm saying stuff about the smogulants, but I do have a lot of plans for where this goes that isn't just a linear thing of they fight the bad guys and then they win and it's all good.

Matt Bors

It's gonna get super complicated. (laughing)

Chris Lanphear

That's gonna be so much fun to see. Random thought, who outside of Toxie, 'cause obviously everybody loves Toxie, but out of the Crusaders in the expanded world, who's your favorite character to write for?

Matt Bors

Oh, that's a good question. I mean, I would say I like them all and I'm not even finished writing the series. So how it works is I'm focusing on a Crusader for each issue. So we'll go back, we'll see their sort of origin story, or we'll see a little clip of them before they were mutated. So we haven't seen that for most of these characters.

Matt Bors

I like, I like right now, Major Disaster, but that might be because he's written, I've written the most of him so far, 'cause he was like more of a supporting character in the first arc. But as I flesh out each of them, I'm really liking it. And I also think this new character, Fun Girl, has like breakout potential.

Matt Bors

And I'm not, I don't wanna jinx myself, but I mean, my not so secret ambition is like, this this girl's got to have her own like mini series you know.

Chris Lanphear

So Fun Girl spin-off confirmed cool exclusive news here at SDCC.

Matt Bors

It's a movie coming out in 2028 actually no but you know what okay I'll tell you this is sort of adjacent which is a major disaster in Fun Girl play into this which is figuring out how to use their powers in cool ways you know like what can you actually like with Nozan. What am I going to do with Snot? What's... it's gross and it's cool but like what's the fight logic of it? What's the, you know, blowing a honker on the ground and making your enemy slip for instance or whatever. And with Major Disaster and Fun Girl they sort of have more they have more capabilities than the other Crusaders. So they, you know, all sorts of

Matt Bors

things defensive and offensive capabilities. They can clean up toxic waste, you know, they have them this in one issue because there's certain plants and fungus that'll like help like leach toxins out of the soil so they can actually deploy their powers to like help clean up toxic waste so I'm just trying I'm trying to think of fun fun stuff like that you know I want to I got major disaster can grow these like wood javelins that he throws at bonehead and the first issue it's fun

Chris Lanphear

I you know I grew up with these characters, I grew up with this world, but it's so much fun to see new people playing in the sandbox and writing new stories. And I just want to take a second to thank you for sitting down with me. This has been a lot of fun. Is there anything else you want to talk about in terms

Chris Lanphear

of like-- we've done a lot of teases for the stories to come, but is there anything else you want to say as we start to wrap up here?

Matt Bors

Just hope people give it a chance and buy it. Making comics, comics only go as long as people support them. So if you want to see the full run, Definitely go buy it from a hoi from your local comic shop But you know other than that I just am so glad that I got to be able to do this and be here at Comic Con With Troma team and Lloyd because like I said, it's like it's weird man. It's like it's a comic-con story now for me It's like corny, but it's like oh no, that's where I made it happen and I went up to him

Matt Bors

So I feel like you know, I'm gonna come back here next year. We're still gonna be doing toxi The comics the movie will have been out and hopefully the movies. Hopefully the movie does well I mean, I hope it is good, but all good movies don't do well I hope it does well too, you know for all of our sakes and just for Toxie and the culture

Chris Lanphear

I think yeah, I think so too. I think you know, the rising tide lifts all boats. You have the movie does well I think more people seek out the comics more people will seek out the Originals more people will seek out like the action figures and some of the stuff that's coming like hopefully I mean, you know Fingers crossed guys the limit so Matt Bors. Thank you so much for taking the time to sit down with me You can pick up your copies of toxic Avenger and toxic Crusaders at your local comic book shop or Amazon.com Barnes & Noble Comics ahoy comm has the breakdowns of each of the series and also Toxie's pinup special. We didn't even

Matt Bors

We didn't even talk about those the the Toxie team ups are out there. There's a lot coming out Yeah, there's the pinup special and the Toxie's they'll all be collected though in In trades so people will be able to get them

Chris Lanphear

Absolutely, well, thanks again for listening. Thanks to Matt Bors and Ahoy Comics for sitting down with us. And until next time, stay Tromatized. Thanks very much.

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