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His latest album The Troma Project: 50 Years of Reel Fan-Toxic Hip-Hop, out now on Four Finger Distro, is a love letter to Troma and its rich filmic history, comprised entirely of samples from films from its library. On this episode, host Zack Beins chats with Chaz about how the project came to be, the genius of Debbie Rochon, AI and its place in art, and much, much more!\u003C\u002Fdiv>\u003Cdiv>Mentioned in this episode:\u003C\u002Fdiv>\u003Cul>\u003Cli>\u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Ffourfingerdistro.bandcamp.com\u002Falbum\u002Fthe-troma-project-50-years-of-reel-fan-toxic-hip-hop\">The Troma Project: 50 Years of Reel Fan-Toxic Hip-Hop by Chaz Kangas, J57 and Bald Halfwit\u003C\u002Fa>\u003C\u002Fli>\u003Cli>\u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fffm.to\u002Ftromaprojectlp\">Stream The Troma Project\u003C\u002Fa>\u003C\u002Fli>\u003Cli>\u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fwww.instagram.com\u002Fchazraps\">Chaz Kangas on Instagram\u003C\u002Fa>\u003C\u002Fli>\u003C\u002Ful>\u003Cdiv>Hosted by Zack Beins. Produced by Chris Lanphear for Loudspeaker Studios. Talkin' Troma Theme Music by J57 and Bald Halfwit. 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